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eliza (1cust205.tnt3.wilmington.nc.da.uu.net - 63.11.10.205)
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I'm a newbie at grooming and the person who originally trained me told me that skip tooth blades belong to the dark ages, that they should NEVER be used and are incredibly dangerous. I've just met another groomer who swears by her skip tooth #7...she says she can cut a Bichon with it so that it looks like it's been hand scissored. If there is a good use for these blades, I'd hate to be missing out! Anyone use them and what are they best at doing? |
Pebbles (spider-mtc-tf041.proxy.aol.com - 64.12.103.36)
| | Posted on Monday, March 5, 2001 - 9:44 am: |
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At school I was also told that about skips too and we were taught we would never need to use them. Where I work now, (I am a newbie,too) I am told in the real world of pet grooming, skips are a necessity! Yes, they are as dangerous as the groomer using them. Makes me terrified of cutting a dog! They use them for matted coats , mainly. I am sure there are many uses for them that I've not learned!
I will be following this closely...I've begun using the skip blade for matted coats, I am still very cautious and slow when using them, but it surely helps get thru those thick matts. 
Pebbles |
bluebonbon (pool0475.cvx35-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net - 216.244.13.220)
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I started grooming back in the "dark ages of grooming" and have always used skip tooth blades. Yes, a #7 can be used to sculpt a coat. It is necessary to be VERY careful when using skip tooth blades but we should always be careful. I never use a skip tooth in the underarm area because that seems to be the area most likely to catch in the blades. It is possible to work though thicker mats with a skip tooth then go over the pet again after the bath with a finish blade for a smoother finish. One tip I have found helpful, if you rough out with a 5 skip, then finish with 7f, works out any rough spots. Go one blade up to rough, one blade down to finish. I hope that they never stop making skip tooth blades because I really do like them for certain things. |
Particentral (dial-42.r02.gawrwk.infoave.net - 207.50.25.106)
| | Posted on Monday, March 5, 2001 - 12:36 pm: |
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Nothing better for layering a teddy bear head thaz a skip tooth 3 or 4! |
Rev (spider-tl031.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.207.186)
| | Posted on Monday, March 5, 2001 - 3:17 pm: |
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Skips are great for getting under matted coats, though one has to be careful with them. I was taught to groom using 7 skips for most roughing in (country grooming mostly, lots of matted coats). Safety was stressed heavily, and I've yet to nick a dog with one, though being afraid of doing so has meant I learned all the tricky spots and developed the habit of extreme care. I don't use them so much now but don't hesitate if there's a coat that needs it. They're wonderful for "skimming" or "sculpting" a coat.. shaping it long without using combs; and good for blending skirt lines on terriers and cockers. I also like skips when clipping a westie or scottie; IMO it leaves the coat more natural looking. |
Jean (dialup-204.42.29.178.bwsys.net - 204.42.29.178)
| | Posted on Monday, March 5, 2001 - 6:03 pm: |
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Ditto 100% Rev. |
Particentral (spider-tj043.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.213.193)
| | Posted on Monday, March 5, 2001 - 6:38 pm: |
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I agree, but was at a seminar last year where Oster was teaching to use skips on "fluffy" coats for lift and F bades on drops and terriers......... I think it all depends on the type of cut. I use 4 or 5 skips on Terrier backs, too. They definately help keep that natural look. |
Stacie (spider-wj073.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.198.53)
| | Posted on Monday, March 5, 2001 - 6:59 pm: |
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If you want a smooth finished look use an F blade and for a natural look like for terriers, cockers etc...you use the skip tooths with caution and yes they do work very well on matted coats. I very rarely use the skips now but thats all i ever used when i was learning how to groom , amazing i only ever cut 1 dog with one in all that time! |
rebzy (rjs2.dial-30-200.rjsonline.net - 209.198.30.200)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 10:43 am: |
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I learned to groom using skip blades. I don't remember if it was how I was taught or just my take on grooming, but in my early grooming I strived for a natural look. This included using skip blades and lots of thinning shear use. Over the years though I realized that all the other groomers I worked for and with did not want a natural look. They thought the dog should look "just clipped." My current grooming leans toward the latter just because it seems to be what is expected, but I'd be curious to know which the customers actually prefer. |
Sammy Little (ip-209-23-8-99.modem.logical.net - 209.23.8.99)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 6:09 pm: |
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I also learned with the skip blades. To this day I've never used a finished 4,5 or 7. I find them easier to rough in dirty dogs and also to blend the terriers. The other groomer I work with uses the finish blades and is urging me to purchase some. I don't know, I think the end result with the skip is nicer to the eye. At least my skip is nicer than her finished. I just might purchase some and put them to the test. I'll post my results. |
Dragonbrn (64.12.105.42)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 9:19 pm: |
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Way back when, before A5s, there were no F blades. All we had were skip toothed blades, and you learned to work with what you had. I like skip tooths for terriers and coats that are supposed to have a rougher finished look. Roughing in a matted coat is MUCH easier with a skip tooth, and I do do some skimming with a 7 skip to blend terrier furnishings and spaniel feathering before I finish scissor. That said, most of the dogs I do are scissored, and the F blades have been a godssend. Now, has anyone tried the new Andis 5/8 blade yet? Gotta tell you, I'm in love. It's an expensive blade (around $35 wholesale), and I now have 3. The length is just about a 1 blade guard over a 40 blade, and the difference between the blade and the guard is very like the difference between a skip toothed blade and its twin F blade, with the guard mimicking the skip tooth. Way cool on poodles, bichons, teddybear shih tzus etc. Don't know which of the biggies is carrying them yet; got mine from two little local suppliers. Check it out |
Rovermadeover (202.7.217.3)
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I was taught only with skip blades, in fact once she showed us a 5f and said "make sure you don't get F blades by mistake". I hadn't even used one until I worked for someone else who had also been trained by my teacher but thought she'd try them despite what the teacher had said. I have F blades now as well as skip but only use F to finish on certain dogs. I agree the F blades give a much smoother look but the skips seem to take more off, cope better with matted coats and the 7 skip is great for skimming (I have also used the 10 wide for skimming as Rev mentioned it one time). BTW our teacher never mentioned the danger of skip blades although we were taught to use only 10 or 15 blades in danger areas so maybe that was to imply these blades were dangerous in these areas but she did not specifically mention it. |
Rev (64.12.101.171)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 7:58 am: |
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Someone else talked about the 10 wides, Rover.. I've never had one, though it sounds good for those big shave-downs! |
Dragonbrn (64.12.105.152)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 8:17 pm: |
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It AMAZING what a 10 wide can do with a nightmare coat! Just flies through that matted crud. |
Mitzi (192.34.35.23)
| | Posted on Friday, June 7, 2002 - 12:38 am: |
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These are my favorite strip down blade. I have three and keep two on a tile to cool while I am working with the one. |
Rovermadeover (202.7.217.5)
| | Posted on Friday, June 7, 2002 - 4:37 am: |
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Sorry Rev, but it was a good tip whoever said it. |
Rev (152.163.207.214)
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Sure was, Rover! |
Ladyv (66.20.83.56)
| | Posted on Saturday, January 4, 2003 - 6:42 am: |
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I always give a chuckle when I hear groomers say they were taught in school to never use skip tooth...I was trained on them many, many years ago.....all tools have their place and use in the grooming shop..I couldn't get through a day without my mine, i use both skip & F blades regularly. Do be carefull though! |
Pugsly Sue (64.18.105.214)
| | Posted on Saturday, January 4, 2003 - 9:51 am: |
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What # skip tooth blade do you use for a matted coat? My teacher didn't teach us about them but one of the experience groomers in her shop used them. She was using them in regular grooms, which I'm sure would take some hands on experience for me to learn. But I volunteer at the animal shelter and would love a blade that would work thru those matts. Can't very well shave down a shelter dog with a 10 this time of year. Of course I have had to and really worry about how cold they will be but I know they are more likely to get a home all cleaned up instead of the matted stinky mess I start with. |
Fidos (66.76.229.161)
| | Posted on Saturday, January 4, 2003 - 9:51 pm: |
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I wouldn't be without my skip tooth #4, I use it on all my Scottie, Westie, Cairn backs. I love my Skip tooth blades! |
Magicclippers (67.30.239.231)
| | Posted on Sunday, January 5, 2003 - 1:02 am: |
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I watched an instructer at the Atlanta Pet Fair using them and that started me. The owner of the shop did not like me using them because she did not use them, funny she had several in every size but did not use them. They are great for matted dogs but be careful around the flank area and arm pits. I love them the 4 and 3 3/4 skip work for me when doing fluffy teddy legs. Not a good blade to use on a hard to handle wiggly dog.
MC |
DramaDog (216.248.57.17)
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I'm surprised to hear that about the skip blades. I do ALOT of matted mess's. I mean BIG TIME , matted from head to paws. The only thing that will get thru that mess is a skip. I couldn't live without my skip 7. I find that the Skip tooth #7 seems to work best on heavily matted dogs. You could get away with a 5 Skip if you want to leave more hair but I find it doesn't work as well.
Then after the bath, I may finish up and smooth with a 7F if needed
DramaDog |
Puppymom (65.128.172.91)
| | Posted on Sunday, January 5, 2003 - 6:47 pm: |
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I use a #7 skip tooth for skimming. Gotta be a good dog, and gotta me careful. |
imok (66.25.129.112)
| | Posted on Sunday, January 5, 2003 - 10:35 pm: |
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shave downs with a 7 skip can sometimes be finshed with a 5F. leaves a bit more coat than 7F strips...ditto to skimming |
3dogs (64.12.97.9)
| | Posted on Monday, January 6, 2003 - 2:24 pm: |
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I find it odd that everyone doesn't use skip tooth blades. At school I was taught on Skip tooth blades. Maybe it is the way I do my dogs that I love them. I almost always rough in all my dogs 1st with a skip tooth , then bath, fluff dry then use my finish blade. Almost all the time you can use a shorter skip tooth, then after the bath & FLUFF dry, you can use the next longer blade in the finishing. I don't find them dangerous at all but it could be due to the safety training on them. All the groomers that I work with use F blades only & ALL their dogs end up much shorter than mine which is fine for those people that like 5 & 7 but I love the slightly longer look of the 3 or 4. |
Scottygirl (152.163.189.173)
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I'm one of those who was never taught to use skip tooth blades when I went to school. They didn't use them at all, and I didn't even know what they were for. I wish they had taught me, but thankfully my first boss showed me how to use them, only on matted dogs. Then everyone I worked with from that point on was always borrowing my skip tooths because they didn't have them and were also never taught to use them, but loved the way they went through matted coats. I've only recently started using them on terriers (thanks to everyone in this string!). This board is so great because I'm a mobile groomer now and I don't have the benefit of working day-to-day with other groomers anymore and learning/sharing ideas. |
Palms (152.163.189.173)
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Is it me, or my blades? Every time I try to use my 7 skip blade, it stops cutting. I spend more time trying to get it to cut than anything. So I bought another, same thing. Finally gave up, and just use a 7f. I can get a matted coat off alot easier with it. BTW, both blades are oster. Any advice? |
Dawg (142.16.22.18)
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 7, 2003 - 3:16 pm: |
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i'm not sure about oster vs andis, but i do love my andis(es)!! my osters seem to seize up more. perhaps you need to oil your blades more? i try to oil every groom, but i'm not so great at that. and! only oil blades before bath... i think that's a given, though.
the skip is my friend. i shaved a huskyXheeler(80-90lbs) in about 35-40 min with my skip 5 & 7. (i am a newbie & still slower than most) i was never really taught how to use them and i don't really consider them dangerous. it's obvious to me that skin flaps can get caught more easily than a finishing blade, and i never do sanitary clipping or underarms with a skip - thank the heavens for ARCO! i'm always conscience of skin flaps & rolls when i clip, even with an F. pull skin taught and run clipper over. simple, no?
p.s. Scottygirl. i just read your profile and congrats to you! we can all take notes on how to pull through something tragic and come out with lemonade! |
Scottygirl (152.163.189.173)
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Thanks Dawg, that means a lot to me |
Progroom (65.26.82.226)
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 7, 2003 - 8:48 pm: |
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Actually, you can and should oil blades several times during a grooming. I put one or two drops down between the 2 pieces of the blade. Then I sort of tip them sideways and wipe off anything that drips. There's usually very little and I rarely ever have any oil get on the coat.
Barb |
Dawg (142.16.22.18)
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i must be putting too much oil on; i get it all over the coat! ~grin~
one or two drops, huh? i'll have to give that a shot... |
Progroom (65.26.82.226)
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I had that problem too, so I never used to use oil at all. I knew it was bad for the blades to run dry so I thought I'd give it a try again. I finally got the amount down to just what it needs without ruining the clean coat.
Try it on the dirty coats for a bit first. It shouldn't take long to get down what works best for you.
Barb
p.s. I don't put it on the teeth of the blade. I hold it sideways and drop it in between the two pieces. |
Dawg (142.16.22.18)
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 8, 2003 - 2:50 pm: |
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there's my problem! i love putting the oil on the teeth! down the side, it is.
i too have tried the 5/8!! i just realised someone was talking about it.. i love it! did an airedale's legs with it --the owners asked for short legs. it left them still looking full and beautiful. best airedale clip i've ever done! i just borrowed a friend's but thinking about getting my own. |
puppyloves
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Username: puppyloves
Post Number: 30
Registered: 6-2004
Posted From: 67.37.230.236
| | Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 6:01 pm: |
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So, how do you use a skip tooth. I am one of the students that was never taught how to use it but I have a couple of them in my tool box (sold by school owner). I keep reading to be careful using it. What do you have to watch for? I was taught that If the blade won't get through, then go higher till the blade goes through. |
waggontails
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Username: waggontails
Post Number: 66
Registered: 10-2002
Posted From: 216.165.135.214
| | Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 7:00 pm: |
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I have a vac system and use the skip toothed blades all of the time.
I use them when I have to save a coat from being skinned, and I use them for the backs, when I want the coat to be just a smig shorter than the F blade. I found out the hard way that you watch on the flappy skin as it will grab and you have blood. Watch on presenting the blade to the body as they are sharp at the tip. I do not like them for cats at all. I like to use them for skimming meaning I hold them on the tip with the clipper vac and use them, not flat on the skin. I find that it is forgiving when you have a coat that has the tiny matts that you cant get out, but after clipping they just melt away. Still not the easiest to use on coton coats though. Just some of the ways that I use the skip tooths.
Linda R |
Jeff Andrews (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 66.255.216.18
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Many folks use skips in many ways.....I use them as my main stripping blade for cockers and schnousers, goldens ( bathing suit cut) and any matted dog. Never use them on a cat because one day you'l find out why when you tear the skin with one. Their skin is very delicate like ours.
One thing you might not know. I would stock up and have a set of Wahl skip tooths around. They cut a tad higher than the oster and andis blades. When using a Wahl and you think you screwed up lets say the legs and made them to Poofy, you can go over them with an oster or andis and fix it because they cut lower. Who shaves legs with blades? Me! I am not a scissor person, I am the best scissor man around but I cant groom anything using them.
Get some skip tooths and use them..you cant jam matts in an F blade to much.
Thanks
Jeff
Northern Tails Sharpening |
bluebonbon
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Username: bluebonbon
Post Number: 1168
Registered: 2-1999
Posted From: 205.188.117.18
| | Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 10:51 am: |
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Well, caution is necessary for proper use, especially if using for total body strip. I learned to groom before there were F blades and the only ones available were skip tooth so they were the 'normal and ordinary" blades to use. I love them for skimming and that is what I currently use them the most for. As for catching skin, even a 9 or 81/2 can catch. Just exercise caution with ALL blades. |
puppyloves
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Username: puppyloves
Post Number: 32
Registered: 6-2004
Posted From: 67.37.227.17
| | Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 7:36 pm: |
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Wagontail, Jeff and bluebonbon......
Thanks for all your replies. I learn alot more from all of you than I did when I was in school. Not that I'm bashing the school, I didn't realize that I had those blades in my tool box that I never used.
Blue, one more question please..... What do you mean by skimming? |
ladyv
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Username: ladyv
Post Number: 61
Registered: 8-2001
Posted From: 64.253.118.80
| | Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 9:13 pm: |
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There is NO way I could groom without my skips! I DO understand that now days groomers are taught not to use them because you have to be careful, and now days too.....ya have to admit, anyone can be a groomer  Back in the day, you became a groomer because another groomer saw something in you and trained you. I am NOT saying anyone here is a numnuts...but we all know it's out there and one of them with a skip tooth can do a lot damage indeed! I also adore my 9 blades on cockers and sch, cuts. For me, There are some matted coats that a skip just goes through better. I also use my 7 skip just like a pair of scissor on some things, like rounding out the hind tail feathers and such and I can blend some areas 100% better with a 7 skip than a pair of thinning shears, When I was trained, I was trained on straights only and NO thinners till I could achieve it with out them, then learned with the curves and thinners....do be careful though |
azella
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Username: azella
Post Number: 3
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: h73.209.40.69.ip.alltel.net
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I shall announce my dirty little secret and thats that i'm a petsmart groomer. Born and breed the petsmart way which outlaws skips. Needless to say i was taught not to use them and no one i work with uses them. Unfortunatly I recently won a lot on ebay of about 19 blades which i thought were all F blades but about half turned out to be skip. I couldn't return them because it was my fault i didn't ask and so i'm not going to scrap something i paid for either. Plus the mystery over not knowing about something is killing me and so i thought i'd learn about them. suddenly i'm at this board and my eyes are open. #7 SKIPS CAN SHAVE DOWN DOUBLE COATED LARGE BREEDS! Its like a miracle has happened! instead of going through 3 #7F's i can use a skip and things will go so much faster! You have no idea how many of those poor dogs we shave... petsmart is all about shaving everything you know. And before you get on my case, no i don't agree with it and i regularly piss off my manager with my speach to owners about not shaving thier double coated pets. *sigh* but thankgod if i have to i know now a better way. You guys are wonderful and i'm so glad i found this place! |
chrystalt
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Username: chrystalt
Post Number: 14
Registered: 6-2005
Posted From: ilsmpn-dsl22.shawneelink.net
| | Posted on Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 11:48 am: |
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Wait till you discover the #7 Quick Take down blade. I can zip through any double, triple whatever matted coated dog in no time! |
coquihalla
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Username: coquihalla
Post Number: 521
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: dhcp211-1-135.dsl.ucc-net.ca
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Azella, it has been mentioned here, several times, that the petsomethings monitor this board. Some of our folks have been reprimanded and/or 'let go' after postings stuff that didn't make corp happy. There probably is enough info on your profile for them to identify you. Please be cautious. Oh, and welcome to the board, btw. This group is the absolute BEST. I could never have done what I am doing without them. (I came out of an eight week course and started my own business in an isolated town as the only groomer with no vet closer than an hour. I've since moved back into civilization and opened again. And all is going good, though I am the 4th groomer in a town of 15,000.) |
ladyv
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Username: ladyv
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Posted From: loudsl01-253-109-36.iglou.com
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I am a Petsmart Salon Manager and while, yes...for the average Petsmart groomer...skips are not to be used...our District Service Manager understands that we seasoned groomers that have been using skips for 20 years...are going to use them and know how to use them without cutting a dog...see my post above....and it is NO dirty secret to be a Petsmart groomer! The only dirty secret out there are those groomers whether they are Corp or private, that mistreat animals, cheat their customers and in general put out chop shop work....there is good and bad groomers in all types of Salons/shops. I've worked in both and have seen some great groomers and some terrible ones in both! The groomers in the Salon or Shop make the place what it will be. Skips most definitely have their place in grooming and can go though some matts that an F can't!
(Message edited by LadyV on September 29, 2005) |
annie_in_ny
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Username: annie_in_ny
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Posted From: user-12lcsa0.cable.mindspring.com
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I recently left Petsomething. We got a memo about 4 months ago saying we Could use skip if we were not in training, ie. the 100 dogs. So ask your dist manager. if you are going to sell all those skips, let me know ;)
(Message edited by annie_in_NY on September 29, 2005) |
chrystalt
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Posted From: ilsmpn-dsl22.shawneelink.net
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You go ladyv! I believe teamwork is the key. |
catsmom
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Posted From: cache-dtc-ae08.proxy.aol.com
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I also like the skips for some slightly curly coated dogs. Ever shave down a Shih Tzu and get ridges that you then have to scissor out? I find that I don't get ridged when a use a skip instead of an F. I do, however, use a clip vac system and most Petsomethings don't. And I find it very unusual that corporations of that size would still groom in the dark ages! |
dawg
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Posted From: mailserver.hydro.mb.ca
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what about skimming grungy fur before the bath?! they're awesome for that! you know when you want to take a ton off the face, especially where it gets so icky under the ears/around the jaw? it's just the trick! |
ladyv
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Username: ladyv
Post Number: 81
Registered: 8-2001
Posted From: loudsl01-253-109-36.iglou.com
| | Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 3:51 pm: |
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catsmom I have to agree with you..."But" that said...anyone can become a groomer these days and believe me I have seen plenty that have no business grooming animals...they have the desire "for the money" (wrong reason to become a groomer!) and perhaps did good bathing...but get to grooming just don't have the temperament and patience it takes....I know a couple of groomers that I would never let get a hold of a skip tooth..."but"...again....when someone knows how to use them, they are an absolute must! |
farfalla
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Username: farfalla
Post Number: 263
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Posted From: c-24-7-247-205.hsd1.in.comcast.net
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I use a 7 skip on westie and scottie backs, it gives more of a natural textured appearance while still getting it short. Plus I can blend it into the skirts nicer. |
topdogette
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Posted From: cache-dtc-ae08.proxy.aol.com
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Funny how the person that works for petsomething is the one that says " ...anyone can become a groomer these days " I am sure the 6 week training provided by this corp. sure does a lot to "Improve the quality of groomers". Some business should stick to what they know to make money & NOT go into fields without properly trained workers. I am sorry - 6 weeks training does NOT MAKE A GROOMER! and without the proper training what good does the 100 dog rule make? Would corp like to answer that?? |
fannemoran
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Registered: 12-2003
Posted From: 66-159-182-232.adsl.snet.net
| | Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 7:49 pm: |
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Common, enough is enough...6 weeks training does not make a groomer, but it is sure a start to making someone a groomer. I'm pretty sure that everyone on here was clipping and scissoring for only 6 weeks at one point or another, and continued to learn, just like groomers at Petsomethings do.
It's funny, when someone comes on and says they just graduated from grooming school and they're opening a mobile grooming business, or shop people are so supportive and wish them the best, but, God forbid, its a corporate groomer, they must be someone who's not properly trained, and don't have a business grooming.
Its getting a little old. Now I'm a good groomer, because I'm a mobile groomer, but before I had to be "ashamed" to be a corporate groomer? (That's the impression I get, anyway) That's just pathetic, and it saddens me that people who are suppose to be professionals to this.
This was a topic on skip tooth blades, and got turned into a bash. |
azella
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Username: azella
Post Number: 4
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: h73.209.40.69.ip.alltel.net
| | Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 8:40 pm: |
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*shifty eyes* thanks for the tip never thought about getting in trouble. argh i have a big mouth. prolly my fault i was defending my position as a petsomething groomer before i was attacked because the people around here and everywhere i've been really bash it bad. didn't mean to start anything... anyways moving on. thanks for the tip i truely appreciate it. and i'll look into seeing if we are allowed to use skips, thought it was a definate nono. *goes to make sure her profile is untrackable.* |
ladyv
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Username: ladyv
Post Number: 82
Registered: 8-2001
Posted From: loudsl01-253-109-36.iglou.com
| | Posted on Saturday, October 1, 2005 - 9:43 am: |
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Ya know...this is sooo old. I am a 51 year old woman. I have been grooming about 20 years and I'm a good groomer. Very insistent on proper cuts and that anything cut looks natural and blended as if it grows that way. Yes, I work for a Corp.. SO WHAT!? I have 2 girls now that went to Petsmart grooming school and are just excellent. Now, for starters. It would help if you knew what your talking about. NO ONE including Petsmart expects a groomer in 6 weeks. All you get are the basics there. You come back and continue your training under the Salon manager. So just as out of corp training.....it will all depend on the skill of the one teaching. And again...I have seen horrible groomers from both. Why is it that some of you people are so vehemently against Petsmart? Do you somehow feel slighted because you had to work soooo hard to become a groomer and Petsmart makes it easier? SO what!? I busted my $#@ too, bathed for two years with the meanest, pickest person I have ever known, would stand and jump up and down and scream at you....that means that in order to be a groomer, someone should make it tough on everyone:::shaking head sadly::: Are you threatened that a large corp will close down small shops? Well, if your a good groomer with a good shop there's nothing to worry about. There are three shops near the Petsmart that I work at and I hope to God we run them out. One place puts cocker cuts on westies and Schn and schn cuts on cockers and from what I have seen come to us...can't even do a proper westie head and puts Schn heads on Scotties. They can't even judge proper skirt length on a dog. One place beats on the animals and has been caught by several owners doing so. The other place, well, those girls have to have a morning "toke" if you know what I mean and have been actually shut down once in the past. I worked for years raising 3 Kids alone in private grooming with no insurance, no benefits. I now have profit sharing, 401K, full medical, dental, and eye care...a council line if I need it...I will never understand what the problem is for some people. It's SO sad and is really bringing out the nasty in some people.Our Petsmart does a lot better than the other two here. We have better groomers, I am very honest and will not over charge and I'm very good a people skills...and the top most important thing.... I absolutely love animals and they know it and in turn, their owner sees it. If your good at what you do, run an honest, clean shop.....there's no worry.....it's the same with Corp. |
jennymuffin
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Username: jennymuffin
Post Number: 28
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 174.117.171.216
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2010 - 9:04 pm: |
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wow. i love how no one said anything after this last post. lol. |
wizardofpaws
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Username: wizardofpaws
Post Number: 2318
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 4.154.52.143
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2010 - 9:50 pm: |
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I've never even seen this thread. It must have been before I signed up for e-mail notification. Wow.
A good friend will come bail you out of jail. A GREAT friend will be there sitting beside you saying "Man, that was fun!"
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peanut8347
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Username: peanut8347
Post Number: 93
Registered: 3-2007
Posted From: 76.195.64.243
| | Posted on Monday, April 11, 2011 - 9:43 pm: |
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What was the subject again? Skip tooth blades? Oh yeah!! LOVE 'EM!!! I went through an apprenticeship to learn grooming and my boss didn't really ever want me to use the ST blades, but another friend of mine turned me on to them and I don't know what I would do without them! They are the best for tough matted coats and also for blending skirt lines on cockers, terriers, etc. I've even used them for all over body cuts for those clients who like their dogs to have a more natural or "scruffy" look since they make the coat look not so tailored. Someone mentioned being able to take down a matted dog with a ST blade before the bath and being able to finish with a longer F blade. For example, shave down with a ST7 then finish with a 5F. I "save" my F blades by only pre-clipping with my ST blades since they tend to be a little more resilient than the F blades so I don't mind running them through dirty coats. I am an oil freak, though, and use H42 after almost every use and just wipe them off good on a cotton towel or rag. This way they are disinfected and lubricated. |
msminnamouse
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Username: msminnamouse
Post Number: 99
Registered: 6-2010
Posted From: 71.191.132.209
| | Posted on Sunday, September 4, 2011 - 8:54 pm: |
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I was also told that they can be really dangerous and that some one should only use them after YEARS of experience. But that most experienced groomers are putting them away and use f blades instead.
I mean, you could leave the coat a little bit longer on a matted dog by using a skip tooth but you can shave it down safer even if the coat gets cut shorter with a f blade, is what I was advised. |
