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Laura Kerr (dialup-63.214.12.83.seattle1.level3.net - 63.214.12.83)
| | Posted on Monday, February 5, 2001 - 7:32 pm: | 
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I had my miniature schnauzer groomed recently. She is eight months old and has had trims at home and a longer professional cut before this one. This is her first schnauzer cut. Four to five days after this cut she developed bumps on her back. They look very much like pimples. Now that it has been a couple days, they are draining a little when I clean them (just like pimples). They do not appear to be schnauzer bumps, which I hear are more dry like blackheads or whiteheads. These are a little larger than that, about the size of an average human zit, and they drain a little like a zit! There are five of them, but they appeared one or two at a time.
Could this be a skin infection from the groomers? Are groomers supposed to sterilize/disinfect their equipment like hair salons and is it even possible to sterilize the clippers? I have been cleaning the bumps with ChlorhexiDerm's Flush. I will seek the advise of my vet, but I don't know much about grooming and would like a little information regarding whether she could have gotten this at the groomers. I am not the type to blame someone and cause a problem there, I just want to know if I might want to be more careful in the future about where I take her for grooming (I went to Petsmart this time so I could observe her being groomed to see how she behaves).
Let me know what you can about this and thank you so much. |
Coquette (wc2-int2.nbnet.nb.ca - 198.164.200.231)
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 6, 2001 - 11:38 am: |
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Hi I'm a groomer. It sounds alot like acne to me.... Does she scratch? I personally keep my equipment very clean and disinfect my blades combs and brushes. Tables and tubs are disinfected after every dog/cat. Althought I don't think it's something she got at the groomer, it still could be. If it's razor burn she'd be scratching. Maybe it's just a condition she has had before and wasn't noticeable with her hair being long?!? Try the Ask a Vet section for more help. |
Maryellen (modemcable143.128-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca - 24.200.128.143)
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 6, 2001 - 1:20 pm: |
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I think you might want to see the vet, it sounds like a contact dermatitis, something that she touched or touched her that caused an allergic reaction (I have the same thing myself when I have a reaction to a laundry detergent or something of the like). She could be allergic to the shampoo or conditioners used at the groomer....this I would think to be most likely. I am not a vet, but I highly doubt it's anything from the equipment being dirty, unless of course she is allergic to whatever the groomer cleans his/her eqipment with....that's also a possibility... |
Rev (spider-mtc-ti013.proxy.aol.com - 64.12.101.153)
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 6, 2001 - 3:11 pm: |
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Another possibility is that the clip was too short, and irritated her skin. |
Brenda (wks-65-27-65-1.kscable.com - 65.27.65.1)
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2001 - 4:21 pm: |
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Hi, I am not a professional groomer, but I groom and raise my own miniature schnauzers. In vet speak what you are describing is called (get this it has it's own name) schnauzer bumps! Schnauzers are prone to this condition. It is usually caused by having the hair cut too close or to being stripped. Schnauzers tend to have very sensitive skin and this is usually caused by the hair follicle being infected. Your groomer probably did not use "dirty" equipment, but s(he) may
may have used a clipper blade shorter than your pooch could handle or they may have shaved the hair against the grain, this in itself, very often will cause this condition in schnauzers. They should really never be groomed against the grain (some groomers will use a 7F which will give the appearance of being groomed with a #15 blade. In most cases it is best to use a blade no shorter than a #10 on the back with the grain, and some schnauzers need to be done even longer especially if they have very sensitive skin.
Now to get to treating this condition. If the dog is itchy (scratches alot or flips on her back and rubs around on the floor) then you probably need to take her to the vet and have them give her some antihistamine tablets. Some get so bad that they need a cortisone shot and or put on cortisone tablets. If you can get this under control now and keep it under control then hopefully you will have few or maybe no more recurrences. Also at the vets office you can get special shampoos that are specific for such conditions. They usually contain sulfa, at least in my experience and seem to really help dry up and control it, sometimes the vet will also put my dogs on antibiotics (ceflexin or aka as Keflex), as one of the above respondents said it is like teenage acne. Well LOL. I hate to see your pup get this problem this early in life, but hopefully you will be able to get it cleared up quickly.
Talk to your groomer and find out what blade they are using on your pup, if her hair is on the thin side they may want to go a little longer next time. This will mean more frequent visits, but it will be cheaper in the long run than having to go to the vet. Something else you may want to consider is diet. What kind of food is your pup on? I feed my schnauzers a lamb and rice diet as this is more hypoallgenic and it does seem to help with skin conditions. Good luck and let us know how everything goes. |
Rev (spider-mtc-te061.proxy.aol.com - 64.12.103.176)
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2001 - 6:02 pm: |
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Thanks for responding to this one, Brenda.. I'm glad to have this information!  |
Thistle (sdn-ar-018casfrmp046.dialsprint.net - 158.252.222.48)
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2001 - 7:30 am: |
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Thanks Brenda for the info! You're probably gonna fall out of your seat reading this one, but back in the days before advantage I actually used to shave the pattern on my schnauzer with a #30 blade so I could more easily pick fleas off her! Thank goodness for Advantage, once that came around, I actually grew her coat out and hand-stripped her.
Your advice on a good-quality lamb and rice diet is also a great idea. Schnauzers seem so prone to allergies and the best defense always starts with great nutrition. |
Rain (proxy-1541.public.svc.webtv.net - 209.240.221.115)
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2001 - 2:28 pm: |
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WOW!! Thistle I DID fall out of my seat..A Thirty blade!!! The shortest I have ever gone on a schnauzer was a Nine blade.
I actually had a customer, a pastor at a church who used to bring or rather the secratary used to bring a wonderfull little cocker in and have me shave her down with a seven the pastor didn't like the hair.
Well I hadn't seen daisy in awile and wondered what happened.untill one day i ran into the secratary and dasiy at the pet store.
Daisy had been completly shaved down with a thirty blade all over! I guess the pastor thought her hair was still to long and purchased his own grooming kit and proceded to take all the hair off with the thirty.
Then after the poor dogs skin started getting all crusty and scaly he wondered what the problem was and sent the secratary to the store for a moisturizing shampoo. we then spent the next half an hour going over why you can not shave a cocker down with a thiry blade once a month.
She said she would pass the info on to the pastor, But she also stated that he was having such a fun time grooming daisy himself that she was pretty sure it was going in one ear and out the other. They are going to try the moisturizing shampoo and are pretty sure it will help, they'll let me know how it goes...Geesh |
tilly (spider-tj031.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.213.186)
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2001 - 3:21 pm: |
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Yea Me too!!! Somewhere I am sure I read that the 8.5 blade was designed to replace the nine blade not totally. My understanding is the 8.5 blade is for those cockers or schnauzers that show skin problems due to the short cut. Now the skin problems can be due to diet or a medical condition but I thought the shorter blade would further aggravate the problem. I will use a 9 if no signs of problems then 8.5 or a 7 blade. Boy I be terrified to shave any part and I mean any part of a dog with under a 15 (for privats pads ears ect). Just remember reading about this and seemed to make sense to me! Can't even remember where I read this, darn wish I save those articals!!!
tilly |
Particentral (spider-th071.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.213.76)
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2001 - 3:59 pm: |
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I still use a 30 on a COUPLE of snzs...gulp..............3 to be exact. But they have very thick coats and have had no adverse reactions at all. But in general I use a 7f or ten Wahl.
BTW Tilly, I use a forty and 50 rather religiously on poodle feet and faces even! Ears on snzs...............
Oh well! Different people different things work. |
Thistle (sdn-ar-005casfrmp103.dialsprint.net - 158.252.212.105)
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2001 - 4:47 pm: |
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Please keep in mind, that this schnauzer was a groomers(my) dog and was groomed very frequently. Never once did she clipperburn or have any of the aforementioned bumps from clipping or stripping. Poor thing was so allergic to so many things, but she never had a problem with "schnauzer acne".
I usually clip poodle feet with a #30, and even use a #30 on the face of one poodle, but she is clipped every 2 weeks. I would never dare a blade that close on a dog who is not frequently clipped. |
tilly (spider-wj013.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.198.23)
| | Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 4:28 am: |
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Please understand that I am not disagreeing with any one of you. Most of you have tons more exp. than me just sitting here and taking it all in still I'm finding after six yrs. what works for me and all your input is very very helpful. I use 15 for clean feet thought about a 30 just always thought to short but like thisle said this dog was groomed every two weeks. I don't have clients that come in that often but if I did I now know a 30 would be ok. Thanks thisle for the info! Truly I'm learing so much here I can't get enough!!!
Question what does BTW mean??? can't figure it out DAH!
tilly |
doggygirl (d230-sj101h1-stjh-pdi.attcanada.net - 142.194.205.230)
| | Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 4:58 am: |
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BTW means by the way. |
Particentral (spider-wg013.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.196.23)
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BTW....By The Way........and I wasn't upset, just sharing my techniques. If you have seen the schnauzer on my front web page then you have seen one of the dogs I do with a 30. Looks like a ten the dog has so much hair. I have found I razor burn dogs much more with a ten than a 30.  |
Thistle (sdn-ar-013casfrmp034.dialsprint.net - 158.252.217.36)
| | Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 7:09 am: |
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Same here...btw Tilly, that poodle I mentioned is actually in every week! She just alternates between a bath one week and a groom the next. She's in a full scissored puppy cut and I am so glad to have full control over that coat.
That's the wonderful thing about this board. When dealing with such a variety of different dogs and coats, we groomers mostly go by the rule of "whatever works best". This is such a great forum for sharing each others' tips and techniques and what works for them may also work for you, or it may not. The best thing is there are so many new ideas tossed about to pick and choose from. A smorgasbord of ideas!  |
tilly (spider-wa043.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.192.38)
| | Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 2:13 pm: |
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OK I've been messing around with this thingfo 45 min. looking for parti's front page web site which BTW I'd love to see but can't get there. Only got AOL month ago And I'm convinced if left to my own searching methods I'll blow this thing up and create some sort of virus by mistake! How do I get there from here?
DumDum
While I'm waiting on this I'm going to try to find the www.westminster kennel club pics! Wish me luck! Tilly |
Particentral (spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - 64.12.103.29)
| | Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 2:33 pm: |
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Tilly, try this link.........
Parti's place |
tilly (spider-wa043.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.192.38)
| | Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 3:00 pm: |
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Oh OK that looks easy enough thanks! |
Rev (spider-mtc-te031.proxy.aol.com - 64.12.103.161)
| | Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 3:18 pm: |
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And here's Westminster |
tilly (spider-we074.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.195.54)
| | Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 5:13 pm: |
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Well that was fun parti took awhile cause I think I saw everything there got faster when I found the NEXT button and worked up the courage to click it! You are right the schnanzer looks great and not at all like I would have pictured a 30 blade! Also great pictures and grooms and shop. Thanks rev for westminster site I'll try tomorrow Went out on my own and some alert came up something about wrong info hubby says just busy I'm sure they saw me coming and blocked it before I did any damage!!! Gotta run suvivor is on! You know family nite! |
Particentral (spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.193.57)
| | Posted on Friday, February 16, 2001 - 5:17 am: |
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Tilly, thank you very much!
For the record, that dog gets groomed every two weeks and is done with a 30 blade and the furnishings are done with a 3 3/4. Owner likes her short!
I like the dog and I think it shows. |
Jean (dialup-204.42.29.43.bwsys.net - 204.42.29.43)
| | Posted on Friday, February 16, 2001 - 7:52 pm: |
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Particentral, Saw your Web site last nite, very impressed with your photagraphy. Keep up the good work! |
Particentral (dial-13.r05.galenx.infoave.net - 208.236.131.77)
| | Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2001 - 3:44 pm: |
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Jean, I cannot take all the credit for the photos. picture Perfect Pets and Le Image' Photographers did a lot of them.......however, my cannon Rebel and I do a lot of shop photos. You can tell which ones are mine.
Thanks guys! |
nannyof10 (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 65.9.168.201
| | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 9:35 am: |
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Very interesting input on Schnauzer bumps. My 5 yr old male Schnauzer has those nasty bumps and I can't seem to get rid of them. He's had antibiotics, antihistamines, I changed his food to a venison & potato allergy food, bathe him weekly in a sulfa shampoo and brush him daily. He still has those itchy bumps. Does anyone have a topical salve or ointment that might ease his discomfort. What about an over-the counter medication for human acne. Would that help? |
thedotteddog
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Posted From: 67.126.198.131
| | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 9:48 am: |
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nannyof10, my last schnauzer went through this for her first 3 years. She was diagnosed with Staph infection of the deep hair folicals. It wasn't untill my Vet put her on Keflex for 30 days, that she responded completely. She still had some itchies untill she developed such a horrid anal glad problem that the Vet took them out. She never itched again or had a rash. That was the end of it. He thinks the Staph had gotten into the anals and hidden there for years giving her problems all along.
Dot |
progroom
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| | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 2:27 pm: |
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I have heard that doing some hand stripping and/or carding can help the skin.
Barb |
one_good_groomer
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Posted From: 24.231.223.153
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 4:14 pm: |
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Hi Nannyof10. Perhaps your schn is groomed to vigerously? Scratches from a brush can set infection within the folicles. Just a guess. My own schn had a bout with schn bumps for about 2 years. She has no other problems. I used SulfOxyDex shampoo on her back and "scrubbed" it with a rubber curry. That helped temporarily but she still had flare ups. She has always been on good food, but I recently switched all my dogs to Innova. Maybe coincidence, but those bumps are gone after only 6 or 7 weeks. Anyway, before that I used a spray called Betagen, antibacterial sprays, and even antibiotics. The antibiotics cleared it up but came back right away. It seems they come from the inside, if you know what I mean. Nothing topical seemed to help much. I wouldn't try people acne meds, might irritate them even more. However, there is one topical treatment I just recently learned of. It's a holistic treatment called Calendula. Must be a herb or something. It's suposed to have great results healing skin. Might work. Try looking up other holistic meds for skin and coat. This is getting waaaaay to long... |
Martha Pattley (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 208.26.53.233
| | Posted on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 9:37 am: |
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Hi
My schnauzer had bumps and I figured out that they
seem to flare up bad when I scrub her back to hard! I bought (3) different shampoos off of this website and they are great!! I wash her belly, sides and legs with a moisturizing shampoo
and I do just her back with the medicated shampoo, I smooth it on in a soft circular motion with the palm of my hand. (No nails!)and let it sit on for 5 minutes while I do her face. Her back has now cleared up!!!! Its a little time consuming but it is well worth it. Also tell your groomer to only use a sensitive shampoo.
Hope I've helped all you schnauser lovers out there! |
ladycoco
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| | Posted on Monday, April 25, 2005 - 12:20 pm: |
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Hi all
I have a little mini and she has gotten a bump on her nose.it is the shape of pimple and looks like one too. But i just do not know how she got it and why. I'm taking her in tomorrow and it is really bothering me then it does her. it is quiet big and i just don't know.
thanks Claudia |
toxon
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| | Posted on Monday, April 25, 2005 - 6:29 pm: |
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Ladycoco your dog scratch her nose somewere.Maybe a new toy or she is trying to get something that she can not get under furniture by exemple.find were she get that friction and what cause that injury.Put some antibiotic cream and in some case you will have to put a elisabeth collar .I hope you will all understand .Bye |
ladycoco
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Thank u Toxin
I just hope it will be okay! I go into the vet's this afternoon with her and I hope to figure it out for her. She is still a ball of energy so i know she is not i pain. That is a good thing. Thanks again, and i will keep u posted.
Love Claudia |
ladycoco
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Hello |
