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Carrie Fox
| | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2000 - 1:14 pm: | 
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I am looking for help with our ten year old cockapoo. He has very dry skin on his back and legs. He scratches and chews often and drives us nuts. We try not to bath him often but when we do we use medicated shampoo for dry skin and also a cream rinse. Any suggestions on how we can help him more? |
Thistle
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2000 - 7:05 am: |
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Is this dry skin condition a new thing or something that has been going on for a while? What kind of medicated shampoo are you using and are you sure you're rinsing all the soap out? Are you getting all the conditioner rinsed out?Have you changed his diet lately?
Dry skin and chewing can be caused by a myriad of problems. Generally, if you do not know exactly what is causing the dry skin, then I would not recommend a medicated shampoo. Medicated shampoos are designed to treat specific problems and some of them can actually dry the skin more. I would suggest a hypoallergenic shampoo such as Veterinarians Best or Pure Pearl to bathe him in and be sure to rinse, rinse, rinse, then when you think you have it all rinsed out, rinse again. You can feel through the coat,especially in the leg"pit" and belly areas...anything that feels slick still has soap in it. If you think that leaving cream rinse in the coat will help relieve dryness, you thought wrong. Unless the cream rinse specifically states that it is meant as a leave-in conditioner, it is not and will also irritate the skin if not thoroughly rinsed out.
A trip to the vet might also be in order...dry, itchy skin can indicate any number of health problems...anything from allergies to an auto-immune syndrome, and your vet can help you pinpoint the cause of the dryness.At the least, they can help to recommend a medicated shampoo which is target to your dog's specific problem.
Good luck and I hope your dog stops itching soon! |
LJM Doglady (spider-wk011.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.198.151)
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2000 - 4:46 pm: |
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If your dog chews and scratches continually, I would seriously look into his diet. If groomers could cure every skin problem with a medicated shampoo, we'd all be wealthy. I'm a big proponant of diet. What you put into the dog comes out. If you're feeding a lesser food or the same food for 10 years, I'd start with that first. Pay attention to the ingredients. By-products are not food! If the dog has seasonal allergies, then I feel bathing weekly with the mildest shampoo will take allergens off the coat and skin. Do not continue to bathe weekly when dog is doing better. Good Luck! |
kristen (spider-wg082.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.196.57)
| | Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2000 - 3:59 pm: |
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theres a product called micro-tek and it comes in a shampoo and a medicated spray i've seen it do miraculous things on dogs with skin problems.It never fails in my shop especially if the owners follow up at home with the spray .The company is called eqyss and the number is 1-800-619-0020 good luck hope you try it and it helps |
Bonnie (user-37kas6e.dialup.mindspring.com - 207.69.112.206)
| | Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2000 - 5:23 am: |
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My groomer just told me about that product. Do they have a website that we could go to? I bought the shampoo from her, but I need to get the spray. |
Cindy Smith
| | Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2000 - 3:07 pm: |
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Another question on dry skin! My standard poodle is 8 months old and has dandruff really badly. My vet ( a relative and very attentive) said to bathe him in Selsun Blue twice a week through the summer (it's really hot here) he has stopped itching/scratching, but still has dandruff, which is noticeable in his dark red coat! Any suggestions? |
dogsbytina (stjhts21d05.nbnet.nb.ca - 198.164.98.134)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2000 - 9:34 am: |
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It could be his diet. Does he get enough oil in his diet? Personally, I wouldn't recommend Selsun Blue, but that is up to you and the vet. I would use a medicated dog shampoo. I have had dogs coming to me for years and they always have flakes and I can only do so much. So, find out about your pet food. |
dogsbytina (stjhts21d05.nbnet.nb.ca - 198.164.98.134)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2000 - 9:35 am: |
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I would like to add, that not all of the dogs that come to me always have flakes, just a few. I think I made it sound that all my dogs have flakes!!! |
sydco (zzdslppp218.sttl.uswest.net - 63.226.194.218)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2000 - 10:20 am: |
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I used to groom a Standard that had very dry, flaky skin as a puppy too. A product called Derm-Caps prescribed by the veterinarian, with the addition of wheat germ oil, was a tremendous help in treating the skin by adding fatty acid supplements to the diet. |
Cindy Smith
| | Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2000 - 12:00 pm: |
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Thanks for the replys! My vet suggested we start allergy testing at LSU vet school (only 5 mins from home) but it's so expensive and half the time they can't pin point it anyway! My boxer went throught the whole nine yards of that and we found out he was allergic to~~get this~~grass! Great, he's a dog allergic to grass! So I rinse him down each night before bed! Only me! |
Rene'
| | Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2000 - 2:29 pm: |
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Cindy Smith, Not only you! I had a Dobe who was allergic to grass and have a JRT that is now! But, the more you can boost his immune system through good diet, the better your chances are of the reaction not being as bad. I read in an article that if your dog will have allergies it will normally show up around 6 mo. or so. Or, it starts a lot later in life after "things" have built up. And there is hope for you and your boxer. I would check with your vet about this, but when my guys have reactions ( they get very very red skin, normally on the belly kinda rashy) I give them people benydryl and that seems to help a lot. And as you are already doing, to rinse them off after any contact with the allergen. I also agree about adding fatty acids to your pups diet and switching to a food that has no preservatives or additives in it... Good luck. |
Russ
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I'm wondering which form of allergy testing your vet recommended at LSU vet school? If it is the testing where your dog is injected with a substance and then wait to see if there is, is not a reaction, you are in for a long, expensive haul. The better method, my opinion, is less $$ and faster. I put my Dobe Juno through this method three years ago. They first take a patch from inside thigh and that's checked for anything in the parasite dept. Blood taken also. These are sent to Spectrum Labs in Arizona. Results will come back in detailed explanation telling you what your dog is allergic to. There will be many allergies including flora/agriculture and his food intake. He will go on a maintenance injection that covers ALL his allergies and then he will have to be given a monthly shot. That's really the maintenance shot. Your vet will instruct you at giving shots. To me this is 100% effective. Your vet will tell you about the special food he must have, ordered through your vet and that comes from CA. Look into this method and then make your choice. Bye. |
Cindy Smith
| | Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2000 - 6:15 pm: |
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Russ, WOW! That makes a lot more sense than the old inject a little here and there method! (Which, btw, is what they wanted to do) I've printed your message, so I'll have it to reference. I'm going to ask my vet about it tomorrow. My boxer gets a red, splotchy belly and his feet drive him crazy! They are all red and puffy at night. Benadryl doesn't affect him much, but another over the counter antimhistamine works pretty well for a few hours. Bacchus (standard poodle) has an abundance of "matter" build up in his eyes and we can't get it to clear. (My husband is an ophthalmologist, for goodness sake!)
I apply meds every AM and PM and no improvement! Go figure! |
Rev
| | Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2000 - 6:44 pm: |
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Just for an interim long-shot that can't hurt (while you wait for allergy test results anyway), try wetting down the itching spots with vinegar. I don't know if this will work, depends on what's wrong I'm sure, but I got the tip here on the board and tried it with my old collie who was having serious foot-itching problems.. and it worked instantly for her! It made her last couple of months much more comfortable, poor girl. Another tip I got from here is to soak the (all-over itchy) dog in cool water; supposedly it gives some relief for a couple of days. Now when I get an itchy dog in for grooming I always do the last rinse in coolish water, and use just-barely-warm water for the rest of the bath. Also, if you're home-bathing, be ultra-ultra-careful to get every last iota of shampoo out of the coat. Shampoo left in will irritate the skin. |
k9hairfairy (ppp45-capac.klondyke.net - 208.245.179.204)
| | Posted on Monday, June 12, 2000 - 8:21 am: |
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Something else that works well for itching is Wham Spray by Nature's Specialties. I've tried it on several dogs that nothing seemed to help. All the owners came in the next day to purchase the product because it worked so well. These are all dogs on allergy injections, which btw, don't always render great results. The spray has tea tree oil in it which also heals the area. Also, make sure the vet isn't suggesting long term cortisone injections like prednisone. This just stops the itching without treating the problem. This is also suspected in the upswing of cushings disease, especially when started as a puppy. Also has many other side effects. |
Roni Dillon
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2000 - 4:31 am: |
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I have a 5 yr. old Mini Schnauzer. I have had 5 now over the last 30 yrs. of my life. The last one Luna that I have now is a rescue that I adopted June 28th, after 5 yrs. to get over the grief of losing my last little schnauzer. So now to my problem. Schnauzers are notorious for "schnauzer acne". All of my schnauzers got it eventually sometime in their life and esp.old age but this one is in terrible shape. I bought the newest skin shampoo my vet stocks now, though I always like Sulfa-oxy-dex and I don't know who carries it now. I have also given her fatty acid capsules, also baths, a good grooming, soft brushes and small comb scrapes like back combing with an itchy like scratch rub, up, down, side, side then hand smooth the area. I work up her back and down her belly and thighs, and while I am doing it I am usually spraying the natural oil conditioner unto the brush, and then rub it in after I comb. It softens and loosens and then also makes the crusties less likely to take good skin with them. Well 2 weeks later she is softer and slowly decrusting, but does anyone know how long it ususally takes to clear this up when it is full body involved, and to the point of crusty dog that is crunchy to pet and flaky on your clothes and furniture. Since I intend to have Luna for at least 6 yrs.(my last 2 schnauzers lived to 11 1/2 yrs) to maybe 10 or more yrs.,(my mom's mini lived for 14 1/2 yrs.) My last 2 schnauzers were well groomed, and medically supervised and tested for everything to find the cause of their skin affliction. Tosha got it about age 3, from my husband's beer, chips, football food parites on Monday nights and Gretchen about age 9 from kidney disease. Luna is is great health, was on a regular diet of Purina One Lamb and Rice, though I am trying to wean her to premium senior brand, but vet says that it is hereditary, and just bath her and groom her until it goes away. What do I do in the meantime of crusting, flaking, itching and oozing when these pimple-like suckers break open and itch and crust and hurt. There has to be an easier more enjoyable way to clear up her skin than daily or 3 x weekly 15 min. medicated baths. Soft brush and scrapy combings in the afternoon and before bed. It is like a 24 hour job that is making this new dog look at me like I am sadist and rather unpleasant to come lay down by or get petted without a major skin workout. I can pet something that feels like it has chicken-pox, I just had it on my 40th b.d. in September, and not want to pick at it if she had a least one clear spot on her body to pet, which she does not have even a two inch square spot without major pimples or crusties. There has gotta be a better way and hopefully someone out there has a simple, safe, sane treatment and with less animal discomfort than what I am doing. I spent $200 for blood, urine, and skin tests, to be told your dog has acne and go home a give her a bath. My vet is excellent for major surgeries and off hour calls of panic with a caring vet to come down to the office at 2 am because your dog is having too serious of a problem to go the all night emergency vet or wait until he opens for business at 8 am, I want and need my vet now and he shows up without any hint of annoyance. But hereditary and common acne or seborrhea, and live with it because of a breed choice is not fair for me or Luna. I could take her to a skin specialist, there is one online in LA, and I live in Sacramento, Ca. but since I was a waitress for most of my life, I learned it is not the book learning that teaches you things in life, but the frustration of having to find a way to overcome life's handouts and pass or fail "hands on" is always a winner in my book. I went for years to a dermatologist for a staph infection got from a burn on my hand at work and couldn't shake it for 3 yrs. and used massive topical skin meds and major antibotics that didn't help. I had a naturalist work with me as a waitress after she gave her 12 yr. old daughter the option of the real world or communal life, and she had to work to support them as she lived in a commune for the past 20+ yrs. and needed a job. I got her hired though she didn't believe in deoderant, and herbs and such don't kill that natural fragrance. She told me to visit a homeopathic doctor for a second opinion and optional treatment or enhancement of my doctor's treatment. The man said throw out your meds, ok, I will put them away for a month or two, and try charcoal poultrices, in wrapped boiled peach tree leaves, some natual tea, and aloe vera juice, drops, and lotion. I did relaxation therapy, and in one month I was completely cured. My dermatologist said "I told you the pills would work eventually, I let him believe it. 15 yrs. later no problems. There has to be a different way to do my dog too. My homeopathic doctor died of a heart attack at 45 running only for his good health to work one morning, and died. So, I asked my groomer what to do, and she said tell your problem on the groomer's web and see what they say as she was out of suggestions. So, here I am, and any help would be greatly appreciated and happily taken. My name is Roni Dillon, I live in Roseville, Ca, and my e-mail is www.ronidillon@webtv.net. Thank you |
Blondie
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2000 - 5:42 am: |
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Roni, since you've just about "run the gammot" with traditional veterinary care why don't you look into a CERTIFIED homeopathic/holistic vet. I'm in the process of moving so at the moment all my literature and resources are packed up. My girlfriend's GSD had a terrible episode of acne......she tried everything. She then went to a homoepathic vet. She changed her diet, started her on various vit/mineral supplements and treated her with a variety of homoepathic treatments including chinese herbals....her acne has dissappeared!!!!!! I think she also did accupunture. Her other GSD has bloated/torsed, been operated on, all by the tender age of two, she continued to bloat (my girlfriend is a stay at home mom, and fortunetly was always there when Cheyanne would start to bloat, so she was able to stave it off with Mylanta type products. She brought Cheyanne to the same vet who has put her on a homeopathic regime and Cheyanne has not so much as burped since (about a yr. now). You might want to try Willard Water (gel form). It's acatalyzed product that just about performs miracles. My male Akita just suffered a horrific hot spot in the middle of his forehead (partly my fault, I was administering Vit. E gel to small wart on his forehead..I was oozing way too much on and it was seeping down on his foerhead, keeping the area way too moist). I shaved the area and applied the Willard Water gel...It was completely dried up OVERNIGHT!!!!!! I'm not exagerating!!!! I don't have the contact phone number available but it's manufactured by Flying V Corp. Bellefourche, SD 57717...Distributed By, Rio Grande Marketing Fargo, ND 58102. It might be worth a try!!!! But the most important thing to do is work from the inside out.....get him on as natural and chemical-free diet as possible to optimize his immune system. I think a homeopathic vet is the best resource. I've found that many allopathic (traditional) vet's aren't the best source for nutritional advice....that's why so many of them still sell (BHT/BHA) laden Science Diet!!!!! Good Luck!!!! Let us know how things go!!!! |
Kvp (bis92.buckeyeweb.com - 205.183.16.162)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2000 - 6:26 pm: |
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I have seen this in alot of my clients schnauzers too. The most recent shampoo prescribed was chlorhexiderm and pyoben ,I believe. They also are prone to yeast infections on thier skin. |
Thistle
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2000 - 5:53 pm: |
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Roni, I know of some homeopathic vets in the San Frncisco Bay area, if you would like their phone #, send me an e-mail. I think this may be your best bet for finding relief for Luna.
In the meantime,a few suggestions to try...first, I would definately get her on a better diet...Nutro Natural choice is good, as is Royal Canins Natural blend, or you could even try Sojourners Farms(at sojos.com). Along with that, keep giving additional fatty acid supplements.
When you groom her, make sure you do not use any blade closer than a #7 on her back and switch to a hypo-allergenic shampoo. Personally, I have yet to see any medicated shampoo help a skin problem, and in my own opinion, they just seem to exacerbate the problem. You might even try talking to your homeopathic doctor and see if they have any suggestions, or if they know of any local homeopathic vets in your area...I will ask my vet if she know any in the Sac. area.
I know how you feel, I spent 14 1/2 years with a min. schnauzer who was allergic to practically everything. |
MARGARET DARLING (spider-tp082.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.204.212)
| | Posted on Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 2:22 pm: |
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AFTER A DAY AT THE GROOMERS MY POODLES SKIN IS VERY FLAKY THE GROOMER WHO IS ALSO THE BREEDER NOW TELLS ME THAT MY POODLES MOTHER HAS A "BAD SKIN CONDITION" SHE HAS TRIED SEVERAL SHAMPOOS ON MY POODLE SOME LEAVE HER FLAKIER THAN OTHERS I GOT SOME GOOD TIPS FROM YOUR SITE IN REGUARDS TO CHANGING HER DIET AND ADDING SOME OILS DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEAS ON WHAT KIND OF SHAMPOO OR CONDITIONERS WE CAN TRY THE PROBLEM SEEMS TO BE GETTING WORSE |
Thedotteddog (209-142-19-14.stk.inreach.net - 209.142.19.14)
| | Posted on Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 4:48 pm: |
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I wonder if the Listerine treatment mentioned on here would help.I tried it on my boston terror ,oops I mean terrier, and It has helped a lot. I'm sure you'll get lots more suggestions before long. |
Rev (spider-tl084.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.207.214)
| | Posted on Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 6:03 pm: |
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My first thought is to have her thoroughly vet-checked.. worms (especially tapeworm), thyroid, Cushing's, and other things can cause this sort of skin problem, as can allergies, and are often not diagnosed until the symptoms become more severe. The next thought would be diet, adjusting protein/fat ratios, adding Omega oils, etc. Skin and coat health come from inside, and all shampoos can sometimes do is alleviate some of the distress. |
MsCaledonia (host-209-214-3-130.mia.bellsouth.net - 209.214.3.130)
| | Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2001 - 8:33 am: |
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I have noticed quite often that new clients coming in with schnauzers having this problem seems to stem from shaving them AGAINST the grain.I don't know how this evolved as they are not even supposed to be cut on their back,however I know that the traditional way of grooming them is not really practiced.Does anyone have any ideas when schnauzers started having this really close cut?I refuse to use anything closer than a 7f on them.I turn the blade against on the head only.I had a schnauzer for 13 years and have never had a problem with schnauzer bumps.I have used Mr groom shampoos on my dogs for many years(available at NESerum)they are EXCELENT and I would higly recomend them.We use the protein shampoo on most dogs and cats but they have specialized shampoos for diferent aplications.My dog Oliver (a poodle)had wonderful coat till he died at 19,and never had any skin problems. |
Jane (regncache2.sasknet.sk.ca - 142.165.70.20)
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If a dog has itchy skin and some red patches on it,should you use an oatmeal shampoo or a medicated. The vet said it must be allergies.I get confused as to when to use oatmeal,medicated or hypo.Are there any rules to follow? Help! |
Rev (spider-tk034.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.206.189)
| | Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 3:46 pm: |
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You need to get a better diagnosis--"must be allergies" is not very helpful. Did the vet test for bacterial infection? staph? ringworm? has the dog had a full Michigan panel thyroid test? If it's allergies, ask for some tests to determine the nature of the allergy so you can get a clue how to deal with it. Hypo-allergenic shampoos are made for dogs with shampoo allergies, and sometimes avoid any reactions that are caused by other shampoos. But they won't help other kinds of allergies, beyond perhaps washing off airborn allergens. |
Ange (203.173.164.63)
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What sort of oil should be added ( and how much) to a dogs diet to improve coat?
My sister (Who is a natropath and pharmacist) has sugested fish oil such as cod liver oil (for the omega 3 fatty acids).
Any comments/suggestions greatly appriciated.
Thanks,
Ange. |
Rev (152.163.213.203)
| | Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 5:42 pm: |
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I've heard recently that the best oil is "whole fish oil" from northern waters, supposed to be better than the cod liver oil. I haven't been able to find any labeled like that though. I just give my collie a couple of capsules a day of "fish oil from northern waters" to control his itching. The stuff isn't toxic so you should be able to experiment with it. Your sister should be able to advise. |
Clover (65.94.25.16)
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The only problem with cod liver oil is no omega-6's... your best choice is a blend such as Udo's Choice (made for people, great for dogs, found in health food stores) or Dream Coat made by Halo (for dogs and cats). Both of these have balanced 3's & 6's for optimal results.
One teaspoon a day for small dogs (i.e. Shih Tzu), 2 teaspoons/day for medium sized, and 1 tablespoon/day for large (i.e. German Shepherd). You can just add it on top of their food. |
Cappy (152.163.206.184)
| | Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 8:45 pm: |
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Jane,
Some dogs are allergic to Oatmeal. Medicated shampoos can also cause a problem... have ran into a few dogs that are allergic to sulfar and like ingredients.
I love the Oatmella shampoo that we use. 98% of the dogs have no problem with this shampoo and it has cleared some skin problems up. If the skin is extremely red and inflammed from allergies is best to use a hypo-allergenic shampoo on them. I don't use medicated shampoos unless it's one that the vet prescribed and they brought it in with them. It's too costly to get into carring a bunch of medicated shampoo. What works on one pet with allergies, will totally irritate the fire out of another one. Of course the only way you know is to use it... there goes the catch 22.
Dogs with mild allergies I will use our Oatmella on them and then tell the owner when they picked them up what I used on them and that it is very conditioning and helps clear up skin problems, but on 2% of our clients it either does nothing for them or it irritates their skin. I NEED to know if they itch afterwards. If their pet happens to be one of the 2%, they are then bathed in hypo-allergenic shampoo. If that doesn't help or the skin get worse, they need to get a shampoo from the vet.
Oh, and one other thing. Just cause it says Oatmeal shampoo doesn't mean it's good. Several of the Oatmeal shampoos on the market dry the pet's skin and hair out. Sometimes you don't notice on the first bath with certain brands, but with repeated use it will causes dryness. |
mmonroe (Unregistered Guest)
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 2:01 pm: |
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Rev,
I asked you before about grooming my rotties nails and you were a great help. Well, here I am again. When I adopted her in August from a kennel (she was in there for 9 months after living in Japan) her coat was great. Recently she started to shed a ton. I read that she may be going into heat again. I brush her everyday but it doesnt help at all! I also noticed that she is itching and scratching a lot and seems to have dandruff now. The vet suggested benedryl, but to me that doesnt solve the problem, only lessons the itching a little. I havent bathed her since the summer since I do her grooming I was waiting for the warmer weather. How often do Rotties need a bath? Anything I can add to her food? The only thing I know that is different is that in the kennel she did not get people food. Of course I give her some here and there. She has a developed bad breath which I am told is a result of the people food she is eating. I would appreciate any help. Shes my baby and I love her to death. Also any good books you can recommmend on grooming Rotties? Most books I find dont go into a lot of detail. We will be waiting for any advice you can offer. Thank you in advance.
mmonroe |
rev
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Posted From: 152.163.253.98
| | Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 5:06 pm: |
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If her food is primarily grains that might be the cause too. Or if she's sensitive to something in what you're feeding. Are you feeding the same as when she was kenneled? Did she have these problems then? If she didn't you might want to go back to that food; if she had problems there you might look for a better diet for her. People food is ok if it's reasonably balanced and safe--don't give onions or grapes, for example. But if you're feeding her a lot of "people food" that's mostly grains and carbohydrates that could be your problem; dogs are primarily carnivores. You can still give her people food, just keep it under say 20% of her diet. Maybe stop it altogether for a while to see if that helps, then you can figure out what's causing the problems. Or alternatively, study up on home cooked and/or raw diets for dogs and follow that. It's hard to say what additives might help when you don't say what she is actually eating. She probably could use some enzymes, something like Pro-Zyme, and possibly some Omega-3 oils (cold pressed salmon oil from northern waters, preferably--the best balance). At any rate neither of those should harm her Get some raw beef knucklebones and let her chew those about once a week for a while, and see if that helps her teeth.
I would certainly bathe her after all this time. As for grooming, a regular bath every month or two is good (the bathtub is fine for a Rottie; put steel wool over the drain to keep hair out). Massage the shampoo through to the skin, pour over a light (1 Tbsp/half-gallon pitcher is enough) vinegar rinse and work that in, then finish rinsing very thoroughly. Wash the face with a washcloth rather than spraying water in it. Let her air dry, which shouldn't take too long for a Rottie. There's really not much detail to grooming them; just do their nails once in a while, and check the ears to see if they're getting dirty. For extra shine you can spritz them with Listerine and towel that on, rubbing with the lay of the coat. A hound glove can help polish too--they're available at bigger pet stores.
She may well be shedding and itching because of diet, plus spring coming on. To help get the shed coat out, you can use a stripping knife if you don't have a 40 blade, and just rake medium-firmly with the lay of the coat, to get out the worst of it. |
rev
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 5:09 pm: |
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I forgot to mention.. cool baths help reduce itching for a day or two. And a saline rinse can also soothe irritated skin. For that use just a smidgin--maybe a tsp to a half-gallon pitcher of water--and pour over and work into the skin. Then rinse. |
mmonroe (Unregistered Guest)
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| | Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2004 - 9:49 pm: |
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Rev,
Thanks for the quick response. She was on Iams at the kennel and I have stuck with that. Although I hear Eukanuba is better, is that true? I bought a fish oil supplement today. Would that be good for her? Where can I purchase the Northern Waters products? As far as brushing - what is a stripping knife or 40 blade and where can I purchase these? I am a first time dog owner so all of this is new to me. Also, as far as the diet, she does get a lot of toast leftover from the kids after breakfast, so I should stop that? I have been putting a tsp of olive oil on her hard food. Will this help? I really appreciate your help with a ll of this. Thanks again. mmonroe |
rev
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| | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 12:51 pm: |
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Northern Waters is not a brand.. it's where the salmon used for the better balanced oils are caught. I get mine from the health food store. "Fish oil" can be anything.. many are poorly balanced, such as tuna. The balance is the ratio between Omega-3 and Omega-6 oils. I wouldn't use olive oil.
Iams, Eukanuba, those are standard feeds; if they do well on them, with good coat, skin and condition, fine. If they don't I'd recommend something else.. my current favorites are Old Mother Hubbard Wellness diets, and Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover's Soul (long name but great formula). Flint River Ranch is good too. Diamond may be more available than any of those, though, and might be worth trying to see if that helps. The next step if nothing else helps would be to try some foods that are specially made to be hypoallergenic, but I wouldn't worry about that yet.
For combing, maybe your best bet might be the "Furminator", a bit pricey but seems to be excellent for carding. It's essentially a 40 blade (clipper blade) with a handle. I can't post the website here, but you can find it through Google easily. I'd get just the tool, not the whole kit; you don't have the other equipment and it's not likely necessary anyway. I'm not sure where to get it retail.
A bit of toast leftover shouldn't hurt your dog unless she's allergic to grains, which would also be a problem with her dog food in that case. So I wouldn't suggest that you stop that, or other little treats, until you try some of the other things re diet and grooming.
My suspicion is that some Omega-3 oils in her diet, a good bath and some carding, and you'll see a big difference. I could easily be wrong though.  |
bullylover
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Posted From: 68.174.106.9
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I like the brand "Grizzly Salmon Oil", just do a search online for the brand name and you can find several places to order it online.
All Rev's advice is great. One more thing you might want to try is using a rubber curry brush in a circular motion to get the oils from the skin worked into the coat and stimulate circulation. You can also use it in the bath to really get her clean and remove some of the dead coat. |
rev
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Posted From: 205.188.209.134
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Good idea, Bullylover! |
Julie Covey (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 24.243.249.100
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Any suggestions for an extremely oily coat in a wire fox terrier? I am bathing with a DVM seborhea shampoo and even tried using dishwashing (DAWN) soap followed with the DVM shampoo. Had a full thyroid panel done and she came out fine. Having to bathe every weekend which isn't great for a WFT coat. |
rev
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Posted From: 64.12.117.19
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You might try working in some cornstarch into the coat, letting it sit for a bit, then brushing it out. That should pick up some of the oils.
You might want to review the diet, which may have too much fat in it. |
progroom
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Posted From: 4.239.177.133
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A weekly shampooing with dishsoap may actually be making it worse. In some skin conditions, when you strip the excess oils, it tells the skin it's too dry so it produces even more oils. A light conditioner afterward, and they do make some for terrier coat, might help.
Sorry, I can't think of a brand at the moment....
Barb |
valharly
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Posted From: 151.205.69.151
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When I have had really greasy dogs that come iin very regular, I have used corn starch pre-bath to absorb the excess oils. Then a good degreasing shampoo with as little scrubbing as possible as the rubbing often stimulates more oil production. Then a light finishing rinse of Listerine mixed one large capful to a half gallon of water. |
Julie Covey (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 24.243.249.100
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Thanks for the ideas.
Rev....I have both my WFTs on a prescription Rabbit and Potato diet (boy, does it smell bad!). My male developed terrible allergies and is undergoing skin tests next week. He also had staph for which he just underwent a month-long antibiotic treatment. I'm wondering if my female has the same infection, though the vet didn't want to culture for. I think I'll insist just for peace of mind, if nothing else.
I ordered Micro-tek shampoo and spray to try. Seems to come highly recommended.
Julie |
stardut6954143 (Unregistered Guest)
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Hi my female labarador retreiver had pups she had 8 pups but now her nipples and belly between have a red rashy look to them ..was wondering if anyone has any suggestion to what this could be ..i'm thinkin it caused from the puppies nails..}}} |
loves
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Posted From: 68.20.186.94
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How old are the puppies? Newborn puppies have sharp pointy nails and they should be clipped regularly almost from the beginning. You can use toenail clippers to snip the tips off and it almost needs to be done weekly from about the time they are a few days old. By the time the little critters are up and about getting their nails trimmed should be a fairly routine matter. |
Benjamin Delacruzin Bolivia (Unregistered Guest)
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Good advice, but guys - start a new thread! |
martha (Unregistered Guest)
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i have an 11 year old lab/chesapeke mix. At times her skin smells horrible. When I have her groomed, she smells great for several months, but they will not tell me the kind of shampoo they use on her. Any idea what they may be using. She does not have dry skin, it actually is a little oily at times-especially when she starets to smell bad. |
spottydog (Unregistered Guest)
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There's tons of shampoos out there, many different lines. Without seeing her in person, I might suggest Smelly Pet from Nature's Specialities, or perhaps Micro-tek from Eqyss. OTOH, they may just be using regular shampoo from whatever line they like, nothing special or medicated, and perhaps the smell you believe is bad is normal doggie odor. Many of my clients tell me, especially the ones who go months in between professional grooms, that their dog smells bad, when it's just normal dog smell. Also, you might consider taking a look at what you feed her. Many skin and coat problems come from inside, and a change in diet to a high quality food for dogs with skin issues may be the ticket. |
shearmadness
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Posted From: adsl-68-248-231-12.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net
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Labrador Retrievers and Chesapeake Bay Retrievers, Chessies in particular can produce a lot of seb (skin and coat oil) that can be very pungent to the human nose. This is part of her natural and bred in protection from the cold waters and weather that these breeds were developed to hunt in.
It doesn't sound as if she is an over-producer of seb as you state that it takes several months for the odor to become offensive; overproducers will do so within days of having coat oils stripped out by shampoo.
I don't think that it is a matter of which shampoo is being used as much as it is that she is getting a thorough scrubbing. Are you bathing her at home? You don't really say in your post. If she isn't being bathed in between and you want to know what shampoo they are using so that you get similar results, I would simply recommend that you buy a good quality dog shampoo and bathe her at home. Make sure you rinse her coat thoroughly of shampoo.
No product will keep your dog clean or fresh smelling for months so I doubt there's any voodoo magic shampooing going on. If you aren't getting good results, take her back to the professional! |
John7 (Unregistered Guest)
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My Lhasa Apso has a dry patch of skin on his forearm. He has been chewing at this patch, and, as a result has removed his fur. I am bathing it with a mild body wash and being extra careful to rinse it thoroughly.
I'm wondering it it would be O.k. to apply some Eucherin cream, not the over-the-counter product but the pure emollient cream made up by the pharmasist, to this area? |
John7 (Unregistered Guest)
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My Lhasa Apso has a dry patch of skin on his forearm. He has been chewing at this patch, and, as a result, has removed his fur. I am bathing it with a mild body wash and being extra careful to rinse it thoroughly.
I'm wondering if it would be O.k. to apply some Eucherin cream, not the over-the-counter product but the pure emollient cream made up by the pharmasist, to this area? Failing that, what about Uremol (urea) 10 or the Creamy Hypo-Allergenic Vaseline Problem Skin Therapy?
I know he will very likely lick the area so I don't want to put anything on which may be harmful to him.
Sincerely,
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one_good_groomer
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Posted From: 24-247-192-119.dhcp.monr.mi.charter.com
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John, I would consider taking him to the vet to check for a skin infection like staph, ringworm, etc. Seems odd that it would be just one patch and the rest of his skin looks good. He could have a hot spot and is further irritating it by licking at it. A vet can tell you for sure. Tip:if it is a fungal infection like ringworm, you can use an antifungal cream such as an athletes foot cream. It's a lot cheaper than the stuff the vet will sell you. |
wiredachs
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We need more information before we can say anything. First and foremost if you are terribly concerned take your dog to the vet.
What does it look like? Where is it located? When was the dog last groomed? How short was the hair cut? What breed of dogs do you have? Did you clip the dogs or did they go to the groomer?
~Catherine |
melon
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Are we talking dry, flaky skin, or scabby areas, or pink spots? One of the dogs is a spaniel mix, I see a lot of skin problems in those, especially older dogs, but usually all over and not just one area. The other dog is a jack, and as a terrier, I can't tell you how many terriers (yorkies on up) I see with bad skin down their back, occiput to tail. I still call it schnauzer back, which may be old school. If that's the case, I recommend diet change, to something for dogs with allergies, and weekly baths using a medicated shampoo such as Eqyss Micro-Tek.
Other things to consider may be that you just cleaned the blade before using it on the dog, and perhaps their was residue from the cleaner? Or you used a spray disinfectant on the blade? Some dogs are very sensitive to chemicals. |
RamonCollins
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Hello my name is Ramon and I have a lab/chow/rot mix, a long haired chihuhua/daschhaund mix and they both are chewing at the skin at the base of their tails along their back. the lab mix it is actually spreading up her back. Her skin is extremely flaky/oily/smelly. She chews at herself so much it has removed quite abit of hair along her back. the chih. mix it is not so bad but his skin is dry/red/and will lightly bleed. He also chews on himself at the base of the tail and has some hair loss. I am using a oatmeal based dog shampoo for iritated skin, Sulfodene for "hotspots", tryed benadryl, going to try the fish oil, and bathing them in cool water. This happened last year about this time but only lasted about a month and it went away but this year it has persisted. I bathe them about 1-2 times a month. Should I try bathing them more? I noticed the cool water and oatmeal shampoo helps them for a few days but it comes back. Should I just take both pets to the vet and get the problem pinpointed and stop wasting my time with over the counter stuff? Should I wait a while more and change the dogfood/fish oil idea? Any help would be greatly appreciated THank You. |
betty154
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Posted From: 216.135.105.137
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Ramon...
First, Please have a complete medical work up done on your fur friends. Be sure they are on a
Good flea preventive(FrontlinePlus). Then keep using the soothing shampoo(more often) and Change foods..I recommend Solid Gold Holistique Blendz and Seameal. Anything you do will take time to see improvement...don't give up. Good Luck! |
betty154
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Posted From: 216.135.105.137
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P.S. from your post as if they may be suffering from seasonal allergies but, I am not a vet..so have them checked out! |
doggygirl
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Posted From: 156.34.247.250
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Yes it is always good if you can find the root of the problems, instead of just treating symptoms and I know sometimes it is difficult. My dog went through a terrible time with skin. A vet told me to steep green teabags and then let it cool to room temp and pour over the dog's skin. The tannic acid is very soothing. What are you feeding now? If you don't have time for homemade then I would switch to something that has no chemicals or fillers. I would absolutely take your dogs to the vet and hopefully they can help. |
Karman Cheng
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Posted From: 219.73.94.123
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I am looking for help with my 2 years old poodle. His coat is very dry and not shiny. I used Gold on Gold shampoo. I already add flex oil in his diet. |
betty154
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Posted From: 205.188.116.131
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just came back from show in Longview and the buzz is a product made here in Texas called NakedCare. I "googled" it, 75 bones a gal. May try it on my dog... |
melon
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Posted From: 69.209.181.42
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I have short haired dogs, but I supplement their food with Theracoat from Davis. I can't say enough about it, it makes the dandruffy flakes go away on two of them, and all four have such shiny coats, like glass. I ran out for a couple months, and the difference was immediate and noticeable. |
thebeautypawlor
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Posted From: 24.238.67.5
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Everyone needs to realize the importance diet plays in the role of the skin and coat. Before adding supplements to a 'less than great' food, get them on a diet using higher quality proteins sources (quick advice if you can buy it at a Grocery Store, if there is ground yellow corn, by products, corn syrup, sugar in it dont buy it). When you have a good base diet, try a good omega-3/fatty acid supplement (fish oil, like salmon oil - i buy the stuff from the human health food store), flax seeds are also fabulous (buy them whole and grind them in a coffee grinder, take some yourself too - very healthy!). I also like to add brewers yeast with garlic tablets too their food. Of course, if your pet has severe symptoms of any kind (hotspots, rashes, bumps, etc) get him to the vet ASAP while you are reviewing his dietary needs. If you find your pet has seasonal allergies, ask your vet what he recommends (i know some people who use benadryl during seasonal allergy outbreaks, as per their vets instructions) -- if the allergy is found to be food related - i would recommend getting into the kitchen and cooking for your pet if possible. If you are making it, you know whats in it - and you can add/remove items until you can narrow down the allergy source. I went thru this with my doxie about 8 years ago, and after spending tons of time and money at the vet going thru tests that yeilded inaccurate results - i did some research and started cooking. Viola, my little doxie finally had some relief. Now she seems to have 'outgrown' whatever the allergy was. Last but not least, I will stress the importance of regular brushing (even for the short haired guys) it helps slough off dead skin cells, and distributes oils throughout the coat. Overbathing can actually exacerbate a skin problem, so be sure to choose your shampoos and conditioners wisely. After years of dog rescuing and caring for myt menagerie - I have come across so many skin, coat, allergy, etc issues - I just wanted to share some of my knowledge. Good luck!!!! |
lizzie
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Posted From: 69.110.88.216
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hello, I have a 15 year old border collie and lately I have noticed that her rump(right above her tail) is really red and rashy, she itches it all day long, finally i took a cold wash cloth and put it on to try and ease the itching as well as a little bit of reg. lotion. I want to know if thats ok or is it too harmfull, I can't get to the vet for another 2 weeks and I don't want my dog in too much discomfort considering her age, thanxs! |
rpg
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Posted From: 199.246.2.9
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lizie:
I would be making an appointment with your veterinarian.
Without seeing your dog in person... what you are describing is a classic area for allergic reactions to show up; especially FAD - Flea Allergy Dermatitis (allergy to flea bites).
Also - can your dog lick it's own bum? If the anal sacs are bothering your dog and she is constantly licking, but can not quite reach her anus, she will lick as close as she can reach to try and get some relief.
These are just 2 thoughts out of many that can cause what you are seeing. |
dogdayz
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Posted From: 72.161.92.234
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for some relief try some medicated gold bond powder or even a vinegar/water mix to kill germs,dont need much vinegar,maybe a tablespoon per cup. then some triple anibiotic ointment(like neosporin) but yes if you cant get it to clear up in a few days just by doctoring it, take her to the vet to find out what is causing the problem.Allergies are more than likley the culprit! |
doggiestlist
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Posted From: 69.135.178.80
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although I agree in taking the dog to the vets for diagnonis. dont use powders on your dogs coat these powders are not good for your dog.and often cause more irritation due to clogging of the skins pores.if you want a home remody I use nutrigina T gel tar and sulfa shampoo diluted .however if your dog has excessive undercoat .no treatment will be effective. this can also cause excessive scratching and chewing and hot spots.
I suggest brushing and combing your dog thoroughly before bathing this will ensure shampoos to reach the skin properly and aid in rinsing properly..are you getting all the shampoo or conditioners off of your dog when bathing? this can also be a problem.
to help in the itching bath the dog with nutagina T gel tar and sulfa shampoo be sure to dilute this first as it is a very thick shampoo which will make distributing and rinsing vertually impossible let soak for 10 to 15 min rinse thoroughly dry the dog once the dog is dry apply pure mineral oil to the raw area this will help prevent crusting and flaking of erritated areas which promote more chewing.be sure you only use pure mineral oil not baby oil as it containes talk and fragrence min oil is pure vit E which will promote healing and hair regrowth..I hope this helps.. I recommend this treatment to many clients as weekly treatment as it was reccomended to me by my vet for flea allergies and other skin problems with very good results..mineral oil should be applied daily to erritated areas |
progroom
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I think you might be wrong about the mineral oil being pure Vit E.
"A number of medications may decrease the absorption of vitamin E, including cholestyramine, colestipol, isoniazid, mineral oil, orlistat, sucralfate, and the fat substitute, olestra."
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminE/
"Mineral oil or liquid petrolatum is a by-product in the distillation of petroleum to produce gasoline."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_oil
Barb |
doggiestlist
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Posted From: 69.135.178.80
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mineral oils sold in the health and beauty isles are non patrolium based .being patrolium based is the one charactoristic you want to avoid procucts such as vasoline ect.it must be labled as pure mineral oil.although i do not know the excact ingredients to this product I do know it is effective in this treatment and animal safe .it is non toxic if injested which is the main thing of importance.
i was told to use the above remody for 2 dogs i had rescued years ago.one dog mix resembling a jack russel and another being aphgan hound.these dogs had such bad allergies and skin conditions that both appeared to have severe cases of mange.how ever this was not he case both dogs had severe flea allergies 1 flea bite and both dogs went bald from chewing and scratching.after all other attempts of medications shampoos ect had failed he gave me the above remody.both dogs were bathed weekly with the T Gel and mineral oil was applied to the bald spots daily. within 1 month of this both dogs had stopped chewing and scratching all hair loss was restored to noticable degree once the hair grew back completely this never happened to these dogs again while I owned them. I had both dogs for 5 yrs until my divorce.sadly to state now but my ex husband was not as diligent with the dogs maintainance as I was in making sure these dogs had no fleas ever .both dogs were distroyed by the michigan human society for having skin disorders.where they were sent as my punishment for leaving him. |
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